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Steam locomotive 614 hauls NYC-3 luxury train in New England travel

Planning Train Travel Excursions
on a Luxury Private Railcar

"You will always remember your private car trip for a lifetime-but the memories will be lots better if you've planned it well!"

Introduction:

Is there a connection between actress, playwright, and Metropolitan Opera Guild founder Eleanor Robson, Triple Crown Winner Man-O-War, New York Central 3 and planning a trip on a private railroad car? Of course! Eleanor Robson married banker and ardent sailor and horseman August Belmont in 1924 and commenced mingling with the Newport and New York Vanderbilts as well as with the equestrian society associated with Belmont Farms in New York and breeding farms in Kentucky. (She named Man-O-War, the most famous race horse of the 20th Century.)

During her 100-year life span, she made many public statements which found their way into anthologies of historically significant quotations, including the wonderful comment that "To ride in a private railroad car is not an acquired taste. One takes to it immediately." Given the timing and her ties to the Vanderbilts, it is likely she was referring to New York Central 3 when she said this!

This statement is equally true today. However, the situation is quite different from her time, when the Pullman Company operated private cars throughout the country on hundreds of different railroads and perhaps thousands of different trains; when wealthy people had retinues of service people to handle every detail concerning planning a trip; and when the railroads themselves had thousands of employees throughout the nation providing support services such as baggage transfer, cleaning and pressing sleeping car linens, stocking dining cars with a wide variety of fresh produce, providing fresh flowers at every major terminal, etc., etc.

In order for today's private car trip to provide the client with the flawless splendor of the past, a great deal of complicated up - front planning is required, and there is no question but what the process works best if it is a collaborative effort between client and the private car's owner/operator. Even then, a good sense of humor is required in some-thankfully rare - cases, because railroad travel involves no more guarantees than travel by other modes of transportation. With airplanes, the airport might be closed the day you want to travel; your plane might be diverted, or a hurricane or blizzard might decide to come to town. With trains, an accident ahead of you might stall all trains; the same hurricane might flood the rails and force a detour, or a delayed train might miss a connection.

Given uncontrollable circumstances, the main differences is that you should enjoy yourself a lot more if such things happen while on a private car. You'll have space to walk around, can go to the rest room when you please, nobody will shout orders over the PA system, and you won't have to beg for an extra bag of peanuts or be afraid that either rations will run out or you might have to eat one more horrible airline meal! You might have an adventure on a private railroad car, but you should never have an ordeal!

Step 1: Determine the size of your group and the type of car you desire

There are many different types of private cars, each with different features: office cars like NYC 3 usually were built for railroad executives and may have an illustrious history. Such cars usually have open rear platforms, a lounge, dining room, and galley, plus three to four staterooms. Night time capacity is usually limited to 4-8 passengers and daytime capacity to 8-20, depending on car configuration. Higher capacity cars include combination sleeper/lounge cars, full lounges, full sleeping cars, coaches, dining cars and dome cars. Full lounges and dining cars may accommodate up to 50 passengers. It is highly preferable not to overcrowd cars, because overcrowding detracts from the travel experience and makes it very difficult to provide proper service. Some types of cars-especially dome cars-do not have low enough clearances to visit New York because of the tunnels and the overhead electrical wires.

Step 2: Determine who will make the trip with you.

This is different from deciding the number of passengers as a factor in selecting car type or in deciding how many people will share the costs. This step involves selecting and prioritizing exactly who will travel with you. We always suggest that you have several people on a wait-list just in case some of the core group have last-minute changes of plan. As part of selecting the passenger list, put great emphasis on personal chemistry, flexibility and good humor! Railroad cars are fun and they have more space for passengers to get away from each other than a sailing yacht, but like yachts, they move, they bounce, and they can be somewhat confining - especially on long trips. For some people, this is all a wonderful part of the experience; for others, it is not their cup of tea. Eliminate these "others" from your guest list up-front, for they will affect the chemistry of the trip, which in turn will affect the overall enjoyment of the other passengers.

Step 3: Consider starting out with a short trip and decide whether you want to sleep on board the car or at hotels or bed & breakfast inns while in major cities.

We sometimes get inquiries from people who have never ridden a train who want to start out by taking a 3-week cross-country journey. We usually suggest they switch gears and start with a three-day weekend in order to test the experience first. We also ask them to carefully consider the pros and cons of sleeping on the car itself while parked vs. staying in "shore facilities". While stopped in major cities, the car will either be parked in the station or in a railroad yard. It may be moved from time to time to switch it on and off of trains; noise levels can be relatively high, especially when cars are using their own generator for electricity or when trains come and park alongside them with their locomotives running. Air conditioning may be periodically disrupted if the car is moved and the generator may come on and off as the car is "plugged" into shore power and subsequently disconnected. Even station arrival and departure announcements can be disturbing to some people. We've had two separate occasions where eight people have slept on NYC 3 and the next morning, four of the guests reported the "best sleep ever" while four others complained they could scarcely sleep. This is a highly personal issue, but it requires careful consideration as part of the initial planning process.

Step 4: Select your exact travel dates and itinerary - and try to be flexible and creative while doing so.

Some inquiries are flat-out impossible. Someone wants to charter a car and travel to their college reunion in a town which has not had any railroad service of any kind for 50 years! Other requests are possible but impractical, except for deep-pockets clients who can afford to travel on Amtrak or VIA trains to connections with a freight railroad and then charter a locomotive and crew to create a private train to get to the ultimate destination. The minimum cost for such "off-passenger railroad" trips is about $ 3,000 above and beyond the normal charter costs. But costs soar with mileage and time - a freight railroad once quoted us $60,000 to haul NYC 3 only three hundred miles during a 3-day period - and they made it clear that they did not want the business!

Many car owners are asked to provide cost estimates for detailed client-specified itineraries and in turn provide only the exact information requested. We think it's critical to ask potential clients enough questions to allow a determination if there is any flexibility in either itinerary or travel dates, because a little flexibility might allow significant reductions in trip costs. For instance, some people inquire about a specific trip when their real goal is simply to enjoy a fabulous vacation on a private rail car. Their initial itinerary may involve long mileage and several nights where they are sleeping on the car while missing all of the scenery, or it might be a trip without much scenery at all. We might propose a trip with more scenery, less mileage, day travel only, etc. which adds up to greater overall enjoyment at greatly reduced cost. In other cases, we might demonstrate how it is far cheaper to purchase a discounted weekend air fare to New York in order to start the private rail car trip there rather than shipping the car a long distance to the client's home town. We might also have occasions where, due to other charter commitments, we know the car already is scheduled to be close to the client on a specific date. If the client's schedule is flexible, it might be possible to save thousands of dollars by tying the two trips together. Bottom line: if you're flexible, you can optimize the value of your trip.

Step 5: Determine the level of service you desire.

We can honestly say that we have never eaten a meal in NYC 3's dining room that wasn't a special, elegant occasion - partly because we use our formal silverware and serve meals on Lenox China at all times. These special meals include the beef Wellington prepared by a chef from the Culinary Institute of America; the steak au poivre prepared by the chef we flew over from Paris on the Concorde, and the par baked combination pizza we purchased at Connie's Pizza in Chicago and finished baking the next day in our oven.

Gourmet dining aboard the NYC-3 private rail car Wine trip, romantic vacations, and train cruise vacations aboard NYC 3 private rail car
Two typical meals aboard the NYC3. One did involve pizza and blackberry pie;
the other foie gras and french torte. You can't see the difference
in the photos, but everyone is having a great time at both meals!

Some private cars offer only white glove service utilizing on-board chefs and professional wait-staffs. We provide such service with the best of them - in fact, for longer trips, most private cars draw from a capable pool of the same chefs, who are located throughout the country, but primarily in Florida and California. However, we also offer less formal service up to and including self-catering. In this latter case, we always have an on-board mechanic and car host to manage the car itself, but the passengers themselves share in meal preparation and cleanup. For some groups such as gourmet cooks and wine tasters, organizing and preparing meals on board is part of their overall enjoyment in the trip; for others, it's a way to save thousands of dollars while still having the experience of a lifetime. And remember, when deciding the service level you desire, that on most trips, the meals eaten on the car are only a small percentage of the total meals consumed, because the car is stopped at interesting locations en route where passengers naturally want to dine out--especially in cities such as Montreal, Quebec, New Orleans, etc. which are known for their cuisine. A chef is a wonderful indulgence, and for many travelers, it's the only way to go - but it's an expensive way to go if the trip involves an average of only one or two meals per day on the car.

Step 6: Select the car. This step actually involves a series of decisions and analyses:

A. Select a floor plan which fits your needs. Even amongst cars of the same general type, there are substantial variations in floor plans, in room layouts, size of rooms, quality and inequality of bedrooms in the same car, size of the dining rooms, size and seating capacity in the lounges, etc. Think about these variables as you consider which car to select. NYC 3's layout is unique amongst business cars insofar as it has the highest sleeping capacity, largest lounge capacity, great equality amongst staterooms, and it can accomodate the largest number of sit-down diners at one meal seating.

B. Try to see the car in person - or at least some color photographs. Private cars vary greatly in décor and in "freshness". Some people adore mahogany paneling; some think the same paneling yields a dark and depressing interior. Some people go for bawdy Victorian; others for art deco. For some reason, many people even have trouble picturing the glamour of private car travel in general until they actually see the car in person and can envision themselves in it. We once had guests of a client who boarded the car in Boston. The guests had heard stories of trips on the car and had seen both photographs and a videotape - but when they came to dinner in Boston, they exclaimed "we had no idea how wonderful this is - it's simply beyond our imagination!"

C. Check references on the car and the operator. Please don't be scared off by this section - I call it "Reality PV", where "PV" is the railroad term for private cars, which were referred to as "Private Varnish" in an earlier time because of all the varnished wood work in high level executive cars.

Most cars have a bunch of satisfied clients, which is natural considering that most trips go well and private car travel is such a phenomenal experience. All cars are rigorously inspected by Amtrak concerning safety matters, so from that standpoint, all cars should be considered equal. But remember the basic difference between private car travel and travel on scheduled airlines or regular passenger trains: large transportation companies have hundreds of mechanics and a wide variety of backup equipment which they can substitute whenever operational or mechanical problems arise; owners of private cars hardly ever have another car of the same style or quality to substitute and they must resolve problems with a very limited support network, frequently in the middle of a trip

So?.. the critical issue which separates private cars is the reliability of their mechanical systems (generators, air conditioners, toilets - the whole works!); the degree to which an owner has invested in back-up equipment such as compressors, wheel sets, etc. which are not normal off-the-shelf items; and the problem-solving creativity of their owners.

Creative problem-solving is even critical prior to a trip and relates to how effective a car owner is in negotiating with railroads who initially veto a proposed travel plan. A short trip from, let's say, New York to Montreal involves about as much planning work as purchasing plumbing supplies on the Internet - i.e., it's not complicated, but neither is it a complete "no-brainer". In contrast, a transcontinental round trip, with stop-offs along the way can involve about as much work as organizing a party to climb Mt. Everest! Even providing an initial price quotation can take hours of analysis unless the car has just completed a very similar trip.

D. Compare prices - but don't flood the market with multiple requests for quotes. Obtaining 2-3 comparative price quotations makes good sense, but sending out a dozen email requests is simply unfair, given the amount of work it takes to provide a quotation and the number of redundant phone calls that would be required to the railroads which would supply the transportation services. Most car operators can tell when they are getting such a "shotgun" request and they respond by giving a "quick and dirty" - and unnecessarily high - estimate.

Obviously, when comparing prices, be sure you are comparing "apples and apples" rather than "apples and oranges". Cars may have different daily rental fees, but owners may "count the days" differently. There may be different charges in parking days vs. travel days. The level of desired service greatly impacts price, as do the charges to transport a car to the point where the passengers will board. So, make sure you are dealing with all-inclusive prices before you do any comparisons.

I'm not sure that it's accurate in the case of private rail car travel to say that "you get what you pay for" because of the underlying differences in private car ownership and the relative inexperience of some new-comers to the field. Some cars are owned by for-profit corporations that have sizeable overhead and clearly run their cars as a business. Others are owned by individuals or not-for-profit organizations with a major interest in historical preservation - their primary goal is to realize enough revenues to keep historical cars well maintained and in service and, hopefully, to fund other preservation activities. Other cars are offered for charter immediately after major renovations, where the owners hope that they can coast for a fairly long period of time before they need major maintenance. Since the owners really don't know the costs of operating a railroad car over the long term, there is a tendency to under-price the use of such cars. And of course, they may not have the same operational experience that others have who've learned the ropes over time.

(We, ourselves, started in 1992 with the naive hope that NYC 3 would need virtually no maintenance for its first 5 years, since "everything was new". We learned the realities of the harsh railroad environment almost immediately: A tree fell just in front of our train and it made an emergency stop, sliding and "flattening" six wheels on NYC 3 and many more on the rest of the train. We limped home and were off to an FRA-certified wheel shop for the lathe to cut and re-configure the wheels. Unexpected time out of service and a big-time unplanned expense! We now have two sets of wheels in reserve, which can be moved anywhere in the country for installation at any Amtrak or VIA shop where the car might be stopped.)

What is fair to say is that, after working very hard to get "apples and apples" cost comparisons, a potential client may find that the cost estimates are fairly wide for a trip which appears to be identical in quality. Don't let cost alone be the decision maker unless you're satisfied the other factors are all about equal. Unusually high quotes usually are not worth considering, but unusually low ones should be considered suspect until you can learn the exact reason for the differences.



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